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Post by harrythehaddock on Mar 23, 2024 12:23:37 GMT
Just for a point of reference
Wells - played 21 ,won 6, drawn 3, lost 12 = 21 points (1.0 ppg)
Tuttle - played 7, won 3, drawn 2, lost 2 = 11 points (1.6 ppg)
may be worth noting that 5 of Tuttle's games have been against sides in the top 10
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Post by fishyplums on Mar 23, 2024 21:36:49 GMT
Proof, if it was ever needed, that we were right to get rid of the previous incumbent on the basis of results
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Post by nelmo on Mar 24, 2024 0:30:35 GMT
Don’t get me wrong and I am I no Jack Wells apologist. I think he had to go due to his conduct but it’s an unfair comparison.
He had a massive job having to overhaul the squad from last season. This squad is still his signings and we have hit the point in the season whereby budgets are being cut and sides are throwing it in. However stylistically Tuttle’s style of play seems to suit the squad better.
Our senior players have been outstanding since Wells left (Maybe due to the management style?) and it has made a lot of difference at key points in games.
I suppose what I am getting at is there is a lot more to it than a PPG comparison. I still believe if he hadn’t cracked under the pressure then we would have stayed up but there is still plenty of football to be played. The next two games will define our season.
& going into next season, is Tuttle the man to rebuild once again? Whether that be step 4 or 5?
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Post by fishyplums on Mar 24, 2024 9:35:30 GMT
Don’t get me wrong and I am I no Jack Wells apologist. I think he had to go due to his conduct but it’s an unfair comparison. He had a massive job having to overhaul the squad from last season. This squad is still his signings and we have hit the point in the season whereby budgets are being cut and sides are throwing it in. However stylistically Tuttle’s style of play seems to suit the squad better. Our senior players have been outstanding since Wells left (Maybe due to the management style?) and it has made a lot of difference at key points in games. I suppose what I am getting at is there is a lot more to it than a PPG comparison. I still believe if he hadn’t cracked under the pressure then we would have stayed up but there is still plenty of football to be played. The next two games will define our season. & going into next season, is Tuttle the man to rebuild once again? Whether that be step 4 or 5? I dont think its an unfair comparison in as much as apart from the four games won out of six at the tail end of last season, we hadnt see him drive consistent runs of form. Ok, we had the odd good result and some games where we were genuinely unlucky not to get anything. Given that its generally a pure quality league this season in terms of the leading team having 56/58 points at the end of March (albeit in a smaller league), so everyone is everyone is beating everyone else (as we have seen), its disappointing not to have made more headway this season. Our home record especially is abject (I appreciate its a lot better than a week ago). Wells earned the right to start the season for sure, but it was soon apparent he wasnt the man to take him on, and that was before all the drama with him, which has been spoken about to d3ath. Tuttle has a generally unremarkable record for an ex-pro and sure, there is a new manager bounce as players signed before start playing better. I appreciate too that our circumstances dictate who we can get for what budget in terms of personnel. Everyone has a different contact book and connections that most of us wont be party too. I agree though that its more than PPG, although that may play a part in defining what happens to us, provided we dont finish bottom. I guess the chance of someone finishing bottom with a higher points total than somebody across the equivalent divisions who ends up with a reprieve is fairly likely too. Is Tuttle the man to rebuild ? I dont know. Regardless of whether we go down or not (I think we will stay up), he has built a case for himself. I note the club doesnt do post match interviews with him like they did for Wells (personal preference ?) although possibly deliberate in terms of a quieter demeanour being a more safe pair of hands. Whoever comes in has a job on their hands, given our situation, a more crowded fixture list in a 22 league division with 4 relegation spaces, its a more impossible job than Graeme Taylor could have wished for. |
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Post by greenarmy on Mar 24, 2024 10:25:07 GMT
Don’t get me wrong and I am I no Jack Wells apologist. I think he had to go due to his conduct but it’s an unfair comparison. He had a massive job having to overhaul the squad from last season. This squad is still his signings and we have hit the point in the season whereby budgets are being cut and sides are throwing it in. However stylistically Tuttle’s style of play seems to suit the squad better. Our senior players have been outstanding since Wells left (Maybe due to the management style?) and it has made a lot of difference at key points in games. I suppose what I am getting at is there is a lot more to it than a PPG comparison. I still believe if he hadn’t cracked under the pressure then we would have stayed up but there is still plenty of football to be played. The next two games will define our season. & going into next season, is Tuttle the man to rebuild once again? Whether that be step 4 or 5? When you look at the games Tuttle has been in charge of Bedford, Biggleswade Town, Hertford, Kempston, Cirencester, Hadley, North Leigh and Waltham abbey, only North Leigh would have cut their budget, all the other bar Kempston, Hadley and North Leigh are in a promotion race too He got hammered for the draw against kempston, but since they have played us, they have only lost 1 game! They may be wells players but at the stage he’s comes in any club doing well, the players won’t leave to join a team near the bottom! So he’s had to deal with what he’s got. I think the back 4 look solid now with keegan woody bewley and Tuttle jr I think our most solid back 4 in a long time, max will have to wait his chance as they deserve to keep the continuity going now with 4 games unbeaten (our best run of form in a long time may I add) 14 points from 8 games is no mean feat when we only picked up 21 from 21. Think no matter the result Wednesday and Monday, if we stay up, he deserves it, because we set up properly in games we know we may have to defend for longer periods and yesterday was also the first time this season we have won by 2+ goals. We looked dead and buried when he came in but we win on Wednesday and we are the whole month unbeaten! We may not be safe yet, but atleast we have a chance of staying up now |
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Post by harrythehaddock on Mar 24, 2024 11:53:31 GMT
updated spread sheet (see my relegation thread)
REPRIEVE PPG TABLE (4th bottom)
Team League Current PPG GD
Kempston Rov S1C 1.000 -23
Hednesford T N1W 0.875 -20
Paulton Rovers S1S 0.724 -36
Grantham Town N1E 0.710 -28
Erith & Belvedere I1SE 0.645 -51
Gresley Rovers N1M 0.613 -49
Binfield I1SC 0.516 -65
Stowmarket T I1N 0.179 -71
we only need 1 more point to be 1.00 ppg, and also worth noting we now have the 2nd best goal difference of all the 5 relegation candidates, meaning Kidlington & Thame have to find 8 & 9 points more than us in order to overtake us
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Post by quakers on Mar 24, 2024 12:46:17 GMT
Well we should stay up and most of it is down to Tuttle and co. Think he should be allowed to become manager for next season we now have a strong squad and hopefully hang on to most of them but we do need a striker!
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Post by lee on Mar 24, 2024 13:29:37 GMT
Looking at our remaining fixtures I think the only games where the ‘on the beach’ factor could come into play are the WGC and two Biggleswade FC games at the end of April as I don’t see either team troubling the play off or relegation zones at this stage.
It looks like Kidlington have made a managerial change after their result yesterday so that’s something else to take into consideration going into Wednesday.
There can be no doubt that results have improved since we made our own managerial change but for me it will be the summer before we see whether either the appointment of a new manager or the retention of the current interim manager (whichever decision is taken at the end of the season) will have been the correct one.
It is entirely possible that a chunk of the current squad will move on in the summer whether that be to bigger and better things in the case of the talented young players or just to perceived better offers elsewhere in the case of more senior players. Whoever is in charge of recruitment in the summer has to have sufficient nous to adequately replace any departed players, especially if we’re still at step 4 where 4 down is going to make things even more difficult for clubs with smaller budgets.
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Post by grahamdurban on Mar 24, 2024 13:41:08 GMT
You can't buy experience and that's what DT provides . His earlier radio interview alludes to assurances he's received that if he keeps us up the job is his . Can't think he would speculate if it wasn't said . The squad and results have come a long way since his appointment and hopefully that continues . Unlike his predecessor he seems confident in his own skin , diplomatic and mature . From what I read yesterday it was another great 3 points so congratulations to squad and management .
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